tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8290940288203659446.post8663391546168796893..comments2023-06-29T10:38:23.675-04:00Comments on MR. PAGS' APUSH BLOG: Summer Assignment 2013 #2-Bartolomé de Las Casas on the Destruction of the IndiesUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger58125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8290940288203659446.post-54767815258012456832013-08-29T04:32:25.584-04:002013-08-29T04:32:25.584-04:00Thank you Abby,
I appreciated the fact that you fe...Thank you Abby,<br />I appreciated the fact that you felt that these people ignored their Christian values for I also believed that to be a valid point as shown through multiple sources throughout history. I question your wording in one sense for you referenced a need for power by the Spaniards, when I felt that it should be noted as a constant want or passion for power. However, I totally agreed with your overall message and I also find that the greed was the sole item that caused the minds of these men to turn to a single item: gold. The Spaniards treated these Natives as, " less than the dung in the streets." This statement supports your topic of how the natives were "unjustly" taken advantage of and shows that their minds were turned away from what was right. Thanks again for writing!<br />Sincerely,<br />Dan RobinsonAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13698629916069776565noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8290940288203659446.post-21607829072105615082013-08-29T04:22:32.913-04:002013-08-29T04:22:32.913-04:00The motivations that the Spaniards had which cause...The motivations that the Spaniards had which caused the harsh treatment of the native Caribbean population were greed and the hunger for power. The only thought on the mind of the Spaniards was how to get rich the fastest way possible, whether that meant killing a few million people just to get gold or throwing away their Christian values for the value of a single gold nugget. The Spaniards used their lust for gold and wealth to send them all over the newly discovered land with an attitude that allowed one another to discover the "weakness" of the natives. These Spaniards realized the natives were “so humble, so patients, and so easily subjugated.” Hence, they reacted to this issue with an iron fist and utilized this terrible hubris in the kind attitudes of the natives in order to show that the Spaniards were the almighty and powerful rulers and that they would stop at nothing until they received what they believed was now rightfully theirs. The greed of the Spaniards caused themselves to find that their goals included, "seeking to load themselves with riches in the shortest time." This alone exemplifies how the priorities of the Spaniards left no room for treating others with respect for they were power hungry throughout their whole travels and showed that the colonists were only motivated through the amount of goods discovered on this great new land that they basically trapped and looted for their own well being, treating others as if they were mindless animals. Hence, the greed had overwhelmed the entire nation entering this new land and caused them to want to simply gain more and more without thinking of others.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13698629916069776565noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8290940288203659446.post-91258445752079991272013-08-28T23:35:57.002-04:002013-08-28T23:35:57.002-04:00Hi Pat,
I really liked your response about how t...Hi Pat, <br /><br />I really liked your response about how the Christians changed and dropped their beliefs at the sign of power and greed. The Christians never experienced these kinds of feelings before and ultimately fell to their temptation to become powerful and greedy with wealth. Wealth and power can change how a person lives his or her lifestyle and replacing it with a totally different one.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14907081349003038325noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8290940288203659446.post-41230185766950724462013-08-27T23:52:32.707-04:002013-08-27T23:52:32.707-04:001)The motivations that led to the way the Spaniard...1)The motivations that led to the way the Spaniards affected the Native Caribbean population as they have done was because of their greed for power and lust for gold. After the Spaniards discovered the vast amount of gold available in the Caribbean, they stopped at nothing to obtain it all for themselves. Spaniards set aside their Christian values and willingly killed innocent Native Caribbeans to demonstrate their power. "The reason why the Christians have killed and destroyed such infinite numbers of souls is solely because they have made gold their ultimate aim, seeking to load themselves with riches in the shortest time..." The Native Caribbeans treated the Spaniards with kindness and respect even when the Spaniards took advantage over them to mine for gold. This shows how people can set aside their moral beliefs for great power and gold.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14907081349003038325noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8290940288203659446.post-87161150251845620412013-08-27T21:53:38.683-04:002013-08-27T21:53:38.683-04:00Motivations that led to the way the Spaniards affe...Motivations that led to the way the Spaniards affected the population of the Native Caribbeans the way that they did was greed for gold and power. They ignored all of their values as christians and focussed solely on getting more gold to become rich. In the reading it states, "The reason why the Christians have killed and destroyed such infinite number of souls is solely because they have made gold their ultimate aim." This shows how their greed led them to do the things they have done to these people. They unjustly took advantage of the Native Americans kind ways. The need for power and gold caused the spaniards to do horrible things turning them into savages. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16538900145074143311noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8290940288203659446.post-91219086290921346862013-08-27T15:38:06.875-04:002013-08-27T15:38:06.875-04:00The motivations that led to the way the Spaniards ...The motivations that led to the way the Spaniards affected the native Caribbean population as they did was the urge to be wealthy and have control and power. Bartolome de Las Casas saw that if theybwere going to get that, they can't let anything stand in their way. They took advantage over the fact the natives of the islands were nice people, so it was easy for them to take over their homeland. Control and power were very important to Spaniards, and they murdered entire populations of innocent people just to gain something for themselves. Overall, this shows they were greedy. Olivia Gawlaknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8290940288203659446.post-55297787108244105342013-08-27T08:43:43.134-04:002013-08-27T08:43:43.134-04:00Hi Tyler
I really liked your response because how...Hi Tyler <br />I really liked your response because how you said how the Spaniards took advantage OF THE NATIVE FOR THEIR KIND AND Wealth. it shows that the Spaniards were very greedy and uncaring Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09336138175782377772noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8290940288203659446.post-17484426102146233452013-08-27T08:37:46.346-04:002013-08-27T08:37:46.346-04:00The motivations that they had was gold and power. ...The motivations that they had was gold and power. These two motivations were very evident throughout the whole passage. IN the passage it states that "In said forty years mote than 12 million persons, men, women, and children have perished unjustly and through tyranny by the infernal deed and tyranny of the Christians. This show that even though they were Christians and were against war and people being killed that when money and power come into play people will do anything just for a little power. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09336138175782377772noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8290940288203659446.post-20476488807641165112013-08-20T13:15:17.432-04:002013-08-20T13:15:17.432-04:00Hi Emily,
I liked how you compared how the natives...Hi Emily,<br />I liked how you compared how the natives viewed their and for survival to how the Spaniards saw it; as a way to gain wealth and moneyAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17812427007458017985noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8290940288203659446.post-74151757687699572032013-08-15T16:39:10.040-04:002013-08-15T16:39:10.040-04:00Hi Raeanne,
Your comment allowed me to see a diffe...Hi Raeanne,<br />Your comment allowed me to see a different side of the Spaniards' motivations for stopping at nothing to obtain gold. In your response, you said: "The Spanish government sponsored these expeditions, and so the crew must do their bidding, or face consequences." This showed me that while the Spaniards were certainly in part excited by the gold and power-hungry, they also had a job to do, and that another one of their motivations was fear of assignment incompletion. Good job with looking at different factors that played into their motivations!<br />~JuliaAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14220505018363735113noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8290940288203659446.post-59516074246600833602013-08-15T16:30:31.564-04:002013-08-15T16:30:31.564-04:00Personal motivations that might have led de Las Ca...Personal motivations that might have led de Las Casas to petition the Spanish crown for leniency towards the Native Americans include his Christian beliefs and personal moral limits. As a Dominican friar, de Las Casas might have been inclined to view the Spaniards' actions as morally wrong. This is because Christian values promote fair treatment towards others (clearly not the case in the Spaniards' conquering of the Americas). Bartolomé de Las Casas stated, "We give as a real and true reckoning, that in said forty years, more than 12 million persons, men, women, and children, have perished unjustly and through tyranny, by the infernal deeds and tyranny of the Christians..." Considering that removing the Native Americans would give the Spaniards more opportunity to take the gold and stake their claim on the land, de Las Casas would have had no reason to petition the Spanish crown for leniency towards the Native Americans in favor of helping his nation, since doing so would only hinder it (or so it seemed at the time). De Las Casas, more than certainly, wanted to not only protect the Native Americans from cruelty but also make them Christian followers, which could only be done if the Spaniards' started setting a good example by actually being good Christians themselves, thus having to not kill the Native Americans anymore. Therefore, de Las Casas had to have petitioned the Spanish crown to show leniency towards the Native Americans due to religious and moral reasons.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14220505018363735113noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8290940288203659446.post-51135633974061003412013-08-09T13:46:55.117-04:002013-08-09T13:46:55.117-04:00Alyssa,
I like how you mentioned, "They ign...Alyssa,<br /> I like how you mentioned, "They ignored their own morals and savagally killed millions of the innocent native peoples." This claim you used effectively showed your understanding that the Spaniards performed an act of genocide on the Indians. The rest of post thoroughly shows your understanding of the Spaniards desire for wealth and power.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02039870765248234840noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8290940288203659446.post-43383701347027148622013-08-04T17:34:30.424-04:002013-08-04T17:34:30.424-04:00Alexa,
I really liked how you said that their ma...Alexa,<br /> I really liked how you said that their main goal was to find gold. It showed that they truly did just use the natives to get what they wantedAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11956590403809319986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8290940288203659446.post-69792864563845218172013-08-01T16:13:30.678-04:002013-08-01T16:13:30.678-04:00Dear Emily,
I agree with your statement on how th...Dear Emily,<br /><br />I agree with your statement on how the Spaniards treated the Native Caribbean population. I think you chose a great quote that complimented your thought on the reading. Great job Emily!<br /><br />Sincerely,<br /> Corey<br />Coray Marchettihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16069545124930822246noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8290940288203659446.post-6171974780766843132013-08-01T16:03:05.378-04:002013-08-01T16:03:05.378-04:00Motivations that may have led to the way Spaniards...Motivations that may have led to the way Spaniards affecting the Natives the way they did were the lust of power, greed, and carelessness. The Spaniards were driven by power and the seek for wealth. They did not let the Caribbean population stand in their way. As Bartolome de Casas said,"Among these gentle sheep...the Spaniards entered...like wolves, tigers, and lions..." He explains how the natives were innocent like sheep and the Spaniards were like savage animals preying on these innocent natives. The Spaniards were only after the gold that these islands held but in doing so killed millions of harmless natives. Bartolme portrays this thought in this sentence,"The reason why the Christians have killed and destroyed such infinite numbers of souls is solely because they have made gold their ultimate aim, seeking to load themselves with riches in the shortest time." The Spaniards were not only animals but monsters wiping out populations motivated by the thought of being rich and full of power. Coray Marchettihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16069545124930822246noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8290940288203659446.post-61878372570552087522013-08-01T15:56:12.341-04:002013-08-01T15:56:12.341-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.Coray Marchettihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16069545124930822246noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8290940288203659446.post-2934187541182257912013-07-29T14:12:16.962-04:002013-07-29T14:12:16.962-04:00Hi Jesica,
I liked how you gave multiple examples ...Hi Jesica,<br />I liked how you gave multiple examples from the text and supported them all. I agree with you that the Spaniards took advantage of the natives soley to gaain power and wealth. Good job explaining how and why the Spaniards were so cruel.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14082744079230518233noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8290940288203659446.post-59832357722829967972013-07-29T13:01:38.156-04:002013-07-29T13:01:38.156-04:00*New Comment*
Hi Jillian,
I thought your post was...*New Comment*<br />Hi Jillian, <br />I thought your post was very well written! My favorite part of your post was when you said "The moment the Spaniards came to the islands they were blinded by the abundance of gold at their fingertips." Your choice of wording was awesome and really showed that the amount of gold and possible wealth on the islands was something completely foreign to the Spaniards. I also liked when you stated "Although the Spaniards were Christian, it seemed as though their faith completely disappeared." I liked this because between saying that the Spaniards had lost their faith and that the amount of gold on the island was very overwhelming to them, you more than provided us with the motivations of why the once so moral Spanish colonists would murder so many Natives and attempt to take over the islands. <br />Sincerely,<br />Emily CurinaEmily Curinanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8290940288203659446.post-4295072415224719382013-07-29T12:54:17.688-04:002013-07-29T12:54:17.688-04:00Hi Jillian,
My favorite part of your post was whe...Hi Jillian, <br />My favorite part of your post was when you said "The moment the Spaniards came to the islands they were blinded by the abundance of gold at their fingertips." Your choice of wording really showed that the amount of gold and possible wealth on the islands was something completely foreign to the Spaniards. I also liked when you stated "Although the Spaniards were Christian, it seemed as though their faith completely disappeared." I liked this because between saying that the Spaniards had lost their faith and that the amount of gold on the island was very overwhelming to them, you more than provided us with the motivations of why the once so moral Spanish colonists would murder so many Natives and attempt to take over the islands. Emily Curinanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8290940288203659446.post-75483861671888096522013-07-29T10:22:47.610-04:002013-07-29T10:22:47.610-04:00Hi Anna,
Thank you for taking the time to read my...Hi Anna, <br />Thank you for taking the time to read my post. I agree with your answer to the question I had asked you. You brought up some very good points to support your opinion. I definitely think that Spaniards in the Indies would have tried to stop him from changing behavior because all they wanted was gold to be rich. At that point they didn't value religion as much as wealth. De Las Casas was a threat to their wealth. Thank you for your great response!<br />Sincerely,<br />CassieAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18238582704527126863noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8290940288203659446.post-43919843119395419272013-07-29T10:16:36.520-04:002013-07-29T10:16:36.520-04:00Hi Scott,
Thank you for taking the time to read m...Hi Scott, <br />Thank you for taking the time to read my post as well as understand the psychological and physical effects of the voyage.<br />Thanks,<br />Cassie Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18238582704527126863noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8290940288203659446.post-4433941265208229842013-07-28T21:11:21.045-04:002013-07-28T21:11:21.045-04:00Hi Alexa,
I agree with your opinion of the negati...Hi Alexa, <br />I agree with your opinion of the negative change towards the Natives population. You supported your answer with thorough details and explained significantly. Well done! <br />Jesica Litwanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8290940288203659446.post-33666700889716498252013-07-28T21:01:46.553-04:002013-07-28T21:01:46.553-04:00Motivations that led the Spaniards to affect the p...Motivations that led the Spaniards to affect the population of the Native Caribbean's was their desire towards wealth and power. As soon as Spaniards had came to the islands, they ignored their morals. Due to natives of the islands being so respectful and generous, the Spaniards took advantage of it and used it as an opportunity to strive for wealth and power. In the article it states, " since forty years they have done nothing else; nor do they otherwise at the present day, than outrage, slay, afflict, torment, and destroy them." This shows what the Spaniards would do in order to receive the power and wealth they desire. The natives were sympathetic and lenient towards the Spaniards which allowed them to be motivated to gain their power and wealth. As it states, "Christians have killed and destroyed such infinite numbers of souls is solely because they have made gold their ultimate aim." The Spaniards did not hesitate and took the opportunity.Jesica Litwanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8290940288203659446.post-57707496920227352152013-07-26T18:00:20.952-04:002013-07-26T18:00:20.952-04:00The motivations that may have led to the way Spani...The motivations that may have led to the way Spaniards affected the Native Caribbean population in the way that they did was their sense of cruelty powered by greed. "Like wolves, tigers, and lions which have been starving for days"; This was how Bartolome da Las Casa described the Spaniards startling entrance onto the islands. Their sole desire for wealth and power drove the Spanish colonists to forget their Christian faith and morals. This resulted in the Spaniards committing millions of brutal, senseless acts of murder against the innocent and peaceful Natives. The Natives loved and cared for their lands, and never thought of it as a method for wealth and money, but just for survival. However, the Spaniards thought differently, Bartolome said "The reason why the Christians have killed and destroyed such infinite numbers of souls is solely because they have made gold their ultimate aim." The Spaniards saw an opportunity and they did not hesitate to take it.Emily Curinanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8290940288203659446.post-8614791429931688392013-07-26T10:19:55.686-04:002013-07-26T10:19:55.686-04:00Jill,
I agree with your point explaining how the S...Jill,<br />I agree with your point explaining how the Spaniards were Christian, yet ignored their faith to obtain gold and riches. Liam said something along these lines as well. They had no morals at this point since they were blinded by greed, and their Christian values were evidently the last thing on their minds. This in a way makes the Spaniards hypocritical, since they took pride in their religious beliefs, yet showed none of them outwardly when on the hunt for power. I also liked how you started another point with "Almost without conscience..." Starting another idea with this helps prove the points you made and are about to explain. Very well written!<br /> - EmilyAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16285224012791118025noreply@blogger.com